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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:51 pm 
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mankind has been smoking for only a small part of human existence


i suspect that man has been smoking this or that for quite a long time. iIstill do not think it a human right.


I don't disagree, but given that we discovered fire relatively late in our evolution, we can't have started smoking that early.

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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Oi.......... 3 words..
Culture Culture Culture

If its a part of a mans culture, Smoking is a part of mans culture. What judge will blow that away if it's flopped into his/her face ? What next, papa new guinea tribesmen don't have a culture in brewing hooch from bananas ?


(no, I don't smoke)


Smoking is a cultural right , as it had been practiced for thousands of years, long before law got here !! This is where law diverts from "protecting the rights of the people" into what it is today mainly, "behaviour control" Also tag on revenue creation based on exploiting the typical human condition.

Such a shame, it's not big and clever knowing there are thousands of statutes that people have been trained to act upon, knowing full well, the state has failed to provide fair warnings of all the "offences" created each year against the people. Like taking candy off a kid isn't it ? and using thuggery to extract it .

IT HAS TO CHANGE

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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Oi.......... 3 words..
Culture Culture Culture

If its a part of a mans culture, Smoking is a part of mans culture. What judge will blow that away if it's flopped into his/her face ? What next, papa new guinea tribesmen don't have a culture in brewing hooch from bananas ?


Some of them like to eat each other, is that OK?

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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magnacarta1215 wrote:
Oi.......... 3 words..
Culture Culture Culture

If its a part of a mans culture, Smoking is a part of mans culture. What judge will blow that away if it's flopped into his/her face ? What next, papa new guinea tribesmen don't have a culture in brewing hooch from bananas ?


Some of them like to eat each other, is that OK?


Some of them fry people in electric chairs ! IS THAT OK ? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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No. But it was Ok under the Common Law. Thankfully statute law is superior to mere Common Law.

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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It is part of the Sikh culture to carry a Kirpan (dagger). So they should be allowed to do this in prison too?

The only thing is that causes a bit of a conflict, because in Sikh culture smoking tobacco is prohibited.

So you put a Sikh (with his Kirpan) in a cell with someone who smokes. In the morning you find you only have one prisoner to deal with!!!

This is why prisons have rules. If you think they are unfair the simplest solution is to avoid prisons!!!

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Smouldering Stoat wrote:
No. But it was Ok under the Common Law. Thankfully statute law is superior to mere Common Law.


Yes & STATUTE INSTRUMENTS are but mere CONTRACTS. :lol: And the law of contracts are what ?

offer, consideration, acceptance etc etc.......

YOUR DICKS BIGGER THAN MINE ! Contracts Smoulder.. All law is commerce , all commerce is contract, no contract no case.

Judgments are the highest form of express contracts ! :lol: I shit you not ! funny ol world.

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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Smouldering Stoat wrote:
No. But it was Ok under the Common Law. Thankfully statute law is superior to mere Common Law.


Yes & STATUTE INSTRUMENTS are but mere CONTRACTS.

No they aren't. Statutes do nbot require consent. Only an idiot would think they have anything to do with contracts.
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Riubbish. Idiotic, stupid nonsense. You bandy words about withoyut understanding what they mean.
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YOUR DICKS BIGGER THAN MINE ! Contracts Smoulder.. All law is commerce , all commerce is contract, no contract no case.

Stupid, sexist nonsense. You lose an argument and all you can talk about is sexist crap about penises. What sexist shit makes you think everyone else is a male. Still, you name yourself after a document which legitimises the degradation of women.
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Judgments are the highest form of express contracts ! :lol: I shit you not ! funny ol world.

No, you don't shit anyone. You talk shit. Judgments are an order, not a contract. They don't require any consent. You do understand that, don't you , you pathetic little man that can't discuss anything without bringing his cock into it?

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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I remember reading something about sexual dysfunction in a psychology journal recently. Apparently men, who feel the need to continually refer to their penis, do so as a sort displacement to hide their own sexual dysfunction(s).

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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I see smoking as a choice, not a right!


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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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I personally believe that smoking should be stopped and i have the right to tell the smoker that he should go away from me because i have the right to be healthy.

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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The facts on this are simple - there is no medical facts that conclusively show smoking is dangerous to the health except it can effect ones breathing - the cases won in court againt the tobacco industry were all for respitory cases not cos it poisoned the smoker. To be honest there are many advantages to smoking as nicotine is GOOD FOR YOU !! I know many people who have been told to smoke to help fight disease, I was one of them as I suffered from ulcerative colitis and nicotine helps the body fight the cancerous type cells (its not cancer but its from the same family).

When on talks human rights the arguement is 2 fold, is government forcing you cos it can or does it have GOOD SOLID GROUNDS? I agree smokers should not smoke around none smokers if they ask them to move - if only for the smell on their clothes. But lets get real, we are all going to die some day - why not enjoy life whilst we are alive?

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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Evenin_All wrote:
I see smoking as a choice, not a right!


Surely you should have that right to choice ...


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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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well one would think they had, but then one would also reasonably expect to have many other "legal and human rights" when the truth is you dont. Governments have made it their business to control our lives, they would appear to get a kick out of it, but there are some of us who simply stick 2 fingers back at them and tell em to mind their own business.

I support many of the smoking laws, especially in enclosed public places - but not train platforms or when at anytime one is outside. I think the pub laws are wrong as its an infringement on the ability of the business to conduct trade - that is government once again abusing its power.

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 Post subject: Re: Smoking is not a human right
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frankg wrote:
Governments have made it their business to control our lives, they would appear to get a kick out of it, but there are some of us who simply stick 2 fingers back at them and tell em to mind their own business.


After some 4 or 5 years contributing to forums like this I have found that for every person who comes on wanting to do something the law does not allow who insists that government needs to get off his back, there is another complaining about someone else doing something he does not like and insisting the council should do something about it or that there should be a law against it. There are many who wear one hat one day and another hat another and are blissfully unaware of their inconsistency.


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