Forced Vaccination - Swine Flu Over my dead body

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

tph wrote:

There's no logic in randomly killing a quarter of the population of this country?

This is global . Any reduction would be beneficial wouldn't it? Nature will take care of it, and perhaps, in mans nature today, it already is, for the survival of the few? Who would make those decisions ? Hommies on the street ?

tph · **Joined:** Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:57 am **Posts:** 1376

Drifting off into the world of nonsense again.

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

tph wrote:

Drifting off into the world of nonsense again.

Sorry, you cannot shake the maths, world planners know this.... I know some of these issues are difficult for many people to deal with...

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UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt

JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.

The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably.

Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure.

“Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that impact.”

Population growth is one of the most politically sensitive environmental problems. The issues it raises, including religion, culture and immigration policy, have proved too toxic for most green groups.

However, Porritt is winning scientific backing. Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum, will use the OPT conference, to be held at the Royal Statistical Society, to warn that population growth could help derail attempts to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.

“We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said.

Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.

Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries.

This is part of the thinking behind the OPT’s call for Britain to cut population to 30m — roughly what it was in late Victorian times.

Britain’s population is expected to grow from 61m now to 71m by 2031. Some politicians support a reduction.

Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.”

The Tory leader, David Cameron, has also suggested Britain needs a “coherent strategy” on population growth.

Despite these comments, however, government and Conservative spokesmen this weekend both distanced themselves from any population policy. ” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 950442.ece

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

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Sir David Attenborough said yesterday that the growth in global population was frightening, as he became a patron of an organisation that campaigns to limit the number of people in the world.

The television presenter and naturalist said that the increase in population was having devastating effects on ecology, pollution and food production.

“There are three times as many people in the world as when I started making television programmes only a mere 56 years ago,” he said, after becoming a patron of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT) think-tank. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 087833.ece

Now tph, zoom ahead another 56 years from here, how you going to control the runaway population explosion ? UK is the most overpopulated country in Europe, based on capacity to sustain human beings per area. Yo said it would be ok for earth to hit 20 Billion ? 3 times , well like what Mr Attenborough has lived through those growth rates, but you reckon the UK will sustain 200 million human beings? The planners want to cut it to 30 million. How will that fit in with your ideology of more humans is OK, when governments don't think so today ?

Now how you going to cut population ? something along these lines of thinking perhaps ...

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"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."
- Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund - quoted in "Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?," Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December '95

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"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
- Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '96

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"Obviously our first step must be immediately to establish and advertise drastic policies designed to bring our own population size under control."

"...The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size."
- Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb,

Any other ideas ?

Smouldering Stoat · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:45 pm

Oh no, we're all going to murdered by David Attenborough!

tph · **Joined:** Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:57 am **Posts:** 1376

Smouldering Stoat wrote:

Oh no, we're all going to murdered by David Attenborough!

And he seemed like such a nice chap :lol:

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

Come on chaps n chapesses we need to openly discuss this issue otherwise the decision will be made for you. So whats the solution ?

Survival of the fittest , nature back to its roots ? Not the first time a people have been wiped out if their access to resources dried up is it ? And we know all them consumers have gotta keep consuming stuff, er, so um, THE ECONOMY is maintained , they call that one DEMAND DESTRUCTION.

Thinking caps on please, lets solve this one ! 8-)

Thank you, keep safe .......

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

nageotha wrote:

After infection to swine flu, when do you become infectious to others? Can you pass it on to others before you start to feel or show symptoms? Not only swine flu but seasonal flu.

Hello nageotha, "I'm not a Doctor" but if one is infected with a virus such as the flu, then you may are able to transfer via droplets (wiping runny nose on hand and then hand contacts another surface etc) before you think / or have diagnosed full blownflu virus.

Also swine flu has been reported as being milder than seasonal flu, the worrying thing is for all these folks having been given these new swine flu vaccines , that have been developed under "exceptional circumstances" (ref drug manufactures, glaxo et al) is that no one knows the effect of layering multi vaccines, and Skant data on kids aged 3 etc, GLAXO state NONE etc, then one wonders why on earth the need for a GLOBAL LEVEL 6 Scare ?

Interesting to note also the World health Organisation has CHANGED the definition of the meaning of the term PANDEMIC. Yep
No longer does there need to be "ENORMOUS DEATH RATES" or "HIGH MORBIDITY" required to trigger or meet the definition of a Pandemic.

AHA !!!!!! No, I'm not Alan Partridge, but this does mean that having a Level 6 pandemic declared TRIGGERS POLITICAL EMERGENCY POWERS AND LEGISLATION. :!:

Including but not limited to for example, the fact that Local Government does not need parliaments nod to enact new laws for example. Global state of emergency has been declared you see ?

Now, as the definition of the term Pandemic has been ALTERED, early summer 2009, then we can all look forward to Pandemic Level 6 each year from here on ! Good eh ? Like terrorism , how can it ever end if they changed the meaning so level 6 will trigger for normal flu now ?

My view , take vitamin D3 adults 2- 5,000 I.U. daily. To aid a healthy immune system. Avoid any vaccines until you fully have researched them. Do not rely on one government advisor saying they are safe. (nor me on Vits. do you own research and make an informed choice)

My local GP has told me people are required to sign a consent form, but the Practice Manager told me THEY ASSUME PATIENTS HAVE DONE THEIR OWN RESEARCH prior to having the swine flu jab.

I phoned them up you see, as patients are not being given the drug packaging inserts that the manufacturers state PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU TAKE THIS VACCINE .

You see I wanted to establish if the patients at my gps etc were given sight of this MUST READ information which the manufacturers state, must be kept to be referred to etc, as it contains details of possible side effects, types of reactions etc, and numbers involved.......

ALERT ALERT......

Er, no one is given it before taking the JAB ! I said please photocopy this Packaging Insert and have it displayed in the waiting rooms so that the good people at least have a "chance" of reading that which the actual Vaccine makers says they should read, to aid them making an informed choice, especially as you DO NOT give them this information.

I was told "my comments would be passed on to the team."

I don't know about you, but in my community, I want "best practice" from my Gp's practice for everyone. And that according to the European Medicines Agency, http://www.emea.europa.eu/ , includes giving one packaging insert per patient........ So let us all ensure this happens so all can make informed choice, especially on vaccines which are really still, untested.

There is also still outstanding a Criminal Complaint filed against the safety of the vaccine.

Please everyone, take a very detailed interest in your own health care . Listen, by all means to advice, then research for you and your family, if in doubt ask plenty of questions.

Thank you.

You can also find packaging inserts for all the Swine Flu vaccines via The European Medicines Agency http://www.emea.europa.eu/ Please READ THEM and research further.

Mc1215 , your welcome !

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

Bell Tolls For Swine Flu - If there is one video you need to watch regarding swine flu this is it in my view.

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TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data, of A type flu and lists all the irregularities related to this subject.
She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC, the political consequences from this declaration and makes a proposal to keep calm. She calls for an urgent activation of all legal mechanism and the participation of all citizens in this matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl0 ... playnext=1

Thank you .

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

PRESSE-ECHO: Influenza A - "They Organized the Psychosis"

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Influenza A: "They Organized the Psychosis" Wednesday 06 January 2010 by: Jean-Emmanuel Ducoin | L'Humanité Scandals of State(s)

And what if financial waste were to become a scandal of state ... and of many states? By dint of retracing the trail of the anti-influenza A shots, the debate over public policies during a pandemic is being utterly transformed into a vast denunciation of the collusion between laboratories and governments. We hardly doubt that, secretly, while laying low in the shadows, lobbyists did whatever necessary to convince decision makers to buy their vaccinations in massive quantities. Did these servants of the great trusts direct, and in consequence, manipulate the conditions of purchase? The troubling facts that we are publishing [see below] contain that which should arouse our most intense scrutiny. Our questions, moreover, are now shared ... and not by just anybody! The Council of Europe's Health Commission, no less, has, in fact, just voted for an official investigation to evaluate the influence of pharmaceutical groups on governments' and even the World Health Organization's choices ...

France is on the front line. And for good reason. Since she's been in office, [French Minster of Health] Mrs. Bachelot and the members of her office, frequently accused of collusion with business circles, have rarely been short of any zeal in rolling out the red carpet for the medicine men listed on the stock exchange. Favoring "complete-vaccination," a variant of Sarkozyist "complete-security," France consequently purchased - without any transparency - far more doses of vaccine than did comparable countries. Moreover, since the summer, the government has been lying to us: the official cost, 869 million euros, is nothing but the tip of the iceberg, to which must be added the purchase of masks, publicity costs and also the exorbitant amount of expenses contributed by local governments, hospitals etc.: probably over 2 billion euros in all! Even the independence of the Groupe d'expertise et d'information sur la grippe [Group for Flu Appraisal and Information] (Geig), an official body of the Ministry of Health, arouses indignation: it is 100 percent financed by five laboratories ...

Ninety-four million doses for five million people who chose to be vaccinated: cherchez the blooper! After having conducted the matter like a Napoleonic battle, the government beats a retreat to the point of negotiating (on what conditions?) the cancellation of half the order for vaccines ... At the hour of reckoning, a wind of panic blows through the Palace. For who will have benefited from this collective hysteria? The laboratories, obviously: spending 870 millions euros on four of them was no longer a precautionary principle, but a veritable financing plan!

The main beneficiaries? GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), Novartis et Sanofi-Aventis: over a billion euros of additional revenues in the fourth quarter for the GSK, between 350 and 500 millions for the two others ... Not only did the organized psychosis fill their coffers, but governments, transformed into super-sales-reps, are taking responsibility for assuring their products' resale! In a global market estimated at 600 billion dollars (it has doubled in ten years), everyone will have understood that for the laboratories the stakes resemble a trade war in which anything is allowed. Who will still dare to say that public control over these private mastodons is not an absolute nece

Continued.....

http://www.wodarg.de/english/3022481.html

Will it turn out to be the biggest con ever? I think they perhaps believed they could pull it off, to rob the people blind again.. but....... too many folks now asking more and more questions. Thank god.

Lets see what happens this year with the scandal.

magnacarta1215 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 1342

Pandemrix "ongoing clinical trials" update - Swine Flu vaccine , for folks who have taken this, intend to & information/monitoring purposes. Lots of redlining on text to consider.

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Product Information as approved by the CHMP on 20 January 2010, pending endorsement by the European Commission
Deleted text highlighted in red strikethrough, added text highlighted in red bold.

http://www.ema.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs ... 1Jan10.pdf

Pandemrix contains Squalene. Much debate on this ingredient.

and this statement continues to tickle me on somewhat..

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This vaccine complies with the WHO recommendation and EU decision for the pandemic.

swarb.co.uk

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