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Ok thanks for that... perhaps do your own research if you care, monitor the death rates, look at the global news re people being forced to have the h1n1 flu jab or be sacked in their jobs, and maybe hope it doesn't hit your town.


God bless. Be safe.

OK. Let’s just say (for the purpose of entertainment) that what this person is correct. There is one critical thing lacking from what they say. What is the motive of all these organisations coming together kill people? What exactly do they gain from this?

De-population ? Disease would be an effective means of reducing numbers on the planet.

Human beings have grown like billy-o last couple of centuries from about 1 billion approaching 7 billion today and growing exponentially . One needs to look at the doubling time to see its growth and effect on dwindling resources. Remember food riots regarding pasta in europe last year ? What if it was double the amount of humans in a mere 20-30 years, doubling in that time ? Good for earth or bad ?


The maths does not go away.......

That's not a very convincing argument. The people who are alleged to be behind this are unlikely to be affected by an over-populated planet. Who usually controls the food when there is a shortage?

The big corporations and the criminal organisation. The very people alleged to be behind this plot!!!

Ehh look forwarded 200 years and do the maths


7 billion today
14 billion 35 years
28 billion 70 years
56 billion 105 years
112 billion 140 years
224 billion 175 years
448 billion 210 years


Wouldn't you look at that as a global leader today? I would ........ Otherwise what will happen ? They will wipe themselves out, like any other virus that consumes its host , no ? Now why not plan for it openly, reduced or controlled birth rates ? what about a cap on human life expectancy ? Because the maths cannot be faked.

Doesn't matter what you personally believe anything growing at x % per year will have a DOUBLING TIME. and if human grow at 2% per year then that doubling time is 35 years . FACT. If human grow at 1% per year the doubling time is 70 years FACT. 5% then its 14 years FACT ...... growth rates need to be controlled no ? DO THE MATH from today at 7 BILLION !!

now how YOU gonna control it buddy ?

We've been through this already. Vaccines do not contain mercury.



Have a search on pubmed, there's plenty of papers which look at the risk/benefit comparison of flu vaccines. I'll save you the effort, here's one of many as an example: "Prevention and Control of Influenza: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)", Fiore et al, 2008"MMWR Recomm Rep. 2007 Jul 13;56(RR-6):1-54

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5707a1.htm

Come on, this information is freely available and easily accessible.

The idea that this is being done as some plot to reduce population is raving.

"We need to reduce population. Any ideas?"
"Let's concoct a new version of the flu virus. But rather than make something with a devastating mortality rate, we'll come up with one with a rather low mortality rate. And let's release it into the backwaters of Mexico rather than a huge population centre. And then let's come up with a vaccine that's deadly and will kill everyone in the first world countries (which generally have stable populations) and won't be given to those in third world countries (where population is exploding). And let's assume that all the world's doctors, nurses, politicans, armies and police forces will all collude in the mass murder of huge swathes of the global population without demur."
"Alternatively, we could just release ebola simultaneously into 5 major airports?"
"No, we Illuminati don't back away from a challenge. Let's do it the first way."

Is that what you really believe? I'm curious - the vaccine is out very shortly. Will you nail your colours to the mast and give us a date by which you expect to be proven right by millions of the vaccinated dropping dead?

MC. Your responses still do not give any credence to the vaccine poison theory.

As a method of population control it is a crap theory.

Take a look at this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

Now look at the predictions for the population of Europe.

Can you see the decline!

Why would you kill people in a declining population in order to control it?

There is no evidence to support your claims. The whole thing is quite frankly ridiculous.

I suppose people need something to believe in since Nostradamus turned out to be wrong!!!

A selection of common vaccines that CONTAIN MERCURY


Vaccine


Brand Name


Manufacturer


Mercury Content
mcg/0.5mL

DTap


Acel-Imune


Lederle


25


Tripedia


Pasteur Merieux Connaught


25


Certiva


North American Vaccine


25

DTwp


All Products


25

DT


(vial, 1 dose, contains no preservative)


Aventis


< or = 3 microgram per dose

DT


(vial, 10 Dose (5 mL) contains preservative)


Aventis


25

Td


All Products


25

TT


All Products


25

DTwP-Hib


Tetramune


Lederle


25

DTaP-Hib


TriHIBit


Pasteur Merieux Connaught


25

Hib


HibTITER (multidose)


Lederle


25

Hib


ProHIBit


Pasteur Mereux Connaught


25

Hepatits B


Engerix-B


SmithKline Beecham


12.5

Hepatits B


RECOMBIVAX HB (with Preservatives)


Merck


12.5

Influenza


All Products


25

Meningococcal


Menomune


Connaught Labs


25

Pneumococcal


Pnu-Imune 23


Lederle


25

Rabies


Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed


BioPort


25

ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER? By Tim Kasemodel According to a September 26, 2006 Department of Health and Human Services response to the Coalition for Mercury Free Drugs, the FDA concludes that “exposure to mercury from vaccines is minimal” because routine infant and flu vaccines totaling 28 micrograms of ethyl mercury is “significantly below the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) calculated exposure guideline for methyl mercury of 65 micrograms during the first 6 months of life for a child in the fifth percentile body weight.” To the uninterested observer that may actually make sense. To anyone with 6th grade math skills however, it seems a little perplexing.

The word “during” indicates the calculation was made based on the daily weight of this baby multiplied by the daily exposure limit, calculated each day, then totaled after 6 months. Therefore, the FDA reasons, because the baby has been alive for 180 days, it is safe to give him or her 180 days worth of mercury at that time. The EPA exposure limit (read “not to exceed”) is 0.1 microgram of methyl (not ethyl) mercury per kilogram of bodyweight per day. This would mean on the day a 6 month old baby weighed 20 lbs (9 kg) the exposure for that day should not exceed 0.9 mcg of mercury. The 65 micrograms calculated to be safe by the FDA would be 72 times more than allowed that day. The 12.5 micrograms of mercury in each of the mandatory two flu shots would actually be 14 times more than the EPA guidelines. I am beginning to think the geniuses at the FDA only made it to the 5th grade.

Compare that to the exposure guidelines for Infant Tylenol. The dosage for a 20 pound six month old baby is 120 mg every 4 hours. The box instructions say “not to exceed” 5 doses in 24 hours, which would be 600 mg per day If you agree with the rational of the FDA saying 65 micrograms of mercury, or 72 times the daily limit is safe as described above, then you must agree that a 180 day old baby could get 43,200 mgs of Tylenol or fourteen 1 oz. bottles all at one time.

But let us be realistic; we are only talking about the flu shot, which is only14 times the daily exposure limit. That is only comparable to 8400 mgs of Tylenol or three 1 oz. bottles all at one time. Then you give that same amount exactly one month later. You don’t think that is safe? But how can that be? The FDA can ignore the fact that overdosing on mercury can cause brain damage to infants, why can’t we all just overlook that overdosing on Tylenol can cause liver damage? Why? Because we are smarter than a 5th grader, and the FDA is not. Then there is the fact that the EPA daily exposure limit is calculated based on the well studied consumption of methyl mercury in fish, not the untested injection of ethyl mercury from vaccines, but that is another matter entirely…………

Evidence of poisoning of a mass would be an indication of falling numbers ! Have you just said numbers are expected to fall globally ? But ignoring all that look at the doubling time of ANYTHING humans included. Using of resources, consumption rates, maths cannot be faked.

Falling in numbers in human populations ? Yeah what does that suggest , G, why are humans declining in numbers ? WHY DONT WE WATCH THE ACCELERATION OF THE RATE OF DECLINE. maybe next year you'll be saying populations declined further ? Yup, IT NEEDS TO RIGHT ?

monitor the maths, no need for theory.......

PS, do you believe human beings do not release disease on populations deliberately ? Do you ? I'm just curious if you have BLOCKED that option out of your belief system..... Only human history says, yup humans do such nasty things.......... so what change in human nature have you evidence of all of a sudden ? I'll look at it...........

Thank you...... ohh have you not looked at a human growth rate chart last couple centuries ?




I dont know if you know charts, but thats one big ramp up in growth buddy, that combined with peak oil..... then earth is in for one manipulated check on growth. What, you don't think markets are manipulated ? ooooooooops !

OK good luck matey......

Just to make it clear:-

The content of the thiomersal (and other similar) preservatives is usually measured by assaying the solution for mercury.
This is because it's quite easy to measure very low levels of mercury accurately.
(Atomic absorbtion spectroscopy - or plasma emission spectroscopy give a simple method - it's just the equipment that's expensive)
The start of the process is to make sure that the mercury is soluble, so there's an agressive pre-treatment, then the solution is sucked into the flame (or plasma) for measurement.
The pre-treatement is far more aggresive than you'll find in any biological process.

To use an analogy from earlier, if I was analysing salt (table salt - sodium chloride) for purity, I'd be measuring the chloride content - that doesn't mean that the chlorine (or sodium) will suddenly appear as the element - it's just a way of expressing it.

The most dangerous form of mercury is where the metal forms an ionic salt (because the mercury can be absorbed directly) - not the organometallic form used as a preservative.
The next most dangerous is the vapour (lagely because it's unseen) - mercury salts used to be used for treating animal skins in the hat trade - then heated to drive off the mercury as vapour which caused problems - as in "mad as a hatter"...
The FDA (and the EU) set very stringent limits for all the toxic metals - the calculation is done as a "worst case scenario" so you have a) the maximum allowable quantity (usually as a concentration of microgrammes/cubic metre) and then b) maximum long term exposure (i.e. smaller than a) - but over a period of time)

Hope that helps,

CP09

It should, but somehow I think it will make no difference.

You still seem unable to distinguish between "mercury" and "ethyl mercury". Do you get that these are in fact two totally different chemicals? That this means that their properties and therefore physiological effects will be similarly different? And that because of that, using the term "mercury" where you mean "ethyl mercury" is both wrong and dangerously misleading?

If the reason behind this nefarious plot is to control population, I still don't follow the logic of setting up a method which bumps off people in the western world (where population is approximately stable) but doesn't affect places like India (where it's anything but).

I am pleased that you retain such wild optimism as to the presence of any logic in MC's posts.

OK guys look, did you not hear on the world service the last week, the FDA calling for a 70% increase in global food output in the next 40 years ?

Why would one need an extra 70% increase ? Have they peeked at the math per chance ? And what about 40 years onwards from then ? Another 70 % increase ? crikey...... you lot must have blind faith in their being multiples of people on the planet that naturally brings more lawful and harmanisation or something.



KEY WORDS

UNITED NATIONS control of food........... control of population

This makes climate change look like a RAINY BANK HOLIDAY... how many times do you think we can keep doubling food production on earth to sustain the doubling of HUMAN BEINGS ?

WAKE UP.......... think about it talk about it, otherwise it will be decided for you. YOU CANNOT SHAKE THE MATHS no matter what you want to believe.

How come this isn't prime news everyday ? god help the ignorant. dog eat dog again ?

The world’s population is probably unsustainable once it reaches a figure of say 20 billion.

The issue is not one of just food. Water is likely to become a massive issue over the next 20 years. I think in the coming years we may well see a hostilities develop between countries on just this issue.

There are currently measures in place to stabilise the world’s population. These measures are unfortunately not universally adopted.

The areas that seem to be indicating the biggest growth in populations are Africa and Asia. These areas have a number of problems that will ultimately restrict there growth. I don’t think the forecast of growth in these areas is realistic or sustainable.

I’m not saying population growth is not a big issue. Population growth and climate change are probably the two biggest issues affecting the future of humanity.