Serving Officer's Police Record

[billybunter]

Is there any way that a recently retired police officer's service record could in any way be made public? Can this only be achieved through the courts?

The reason I ask this is that an officer who is the subject of a very serious outstanding complaint I have lodged has taken an early 'retirement'. Very early if the guy's age is anything to go by. I have been further instructed that he is now a 'civilian employee.' I'm trying to find out if there is any way I can find out more details of what brought about this 'early retirement' especially as I have been further informed that he is 'not obliged to co-operate with the investigation now that he no longer works for the police.' The Chief Super who is handling my complaint, after his hand was forced by the IPCC, is remaining tight lipped.

I'm not suggesting that he retired due to my complaint, it was probably a coincidence. But there is a very real possibility that his knowing he was about to retire, and knowing he wouldn't have to answer to what he subsequently did, may have contributed to my bleedin' complaint.

[dls]

It depends what you mean by his record. It might be several things.

In any event he, like anyone else, has a right to privacy. A court might set that aside, but otherwise, I doubt it.
Retirement has always been a way for policemen to slide out from under disciplinary proceedings.

[billybunter]

I just wondered if a public servants record could in any way be scrutinised by Joe Public.

[Finvarra]

I have been further instructed that he is now a 'civilian employee.'

If he remains in the employ of the constabulary I would go back to the IPCC and push the matter. Complaints to the IPCC about Police Staff as as relevant as against Police Officers.

[superbird440]

That's an interesting question, as I once heard rumours of an officer I complained about, being investigated within the police. But never found out anything. It's as if the force cover up internal enquires. I had £6000 stolen by the police and the solicitors responce was, could I prove it. Funny thing is 7 months later an officer was caught stealing £5000 in very similar circumstances. Before the angels amongst go off on one, the offence was reported in the N.O.T.W July 30 1995.
Some police officers are thieves, fact.

[billybunter]

That's an interesting question, as I once heard rumours of an officer I complained about, being investigated within the police. But never found out anything. It's as if the force cover up internal enquires. I had £6000 stolen by the police and the solicitors responce was, could I prove it. Funny thing is 7 months later an officer was caught stealing £5000 in very similar circumstances. Before the angels amongst go off on one, the offence was reported in the N.O.T.W July 30 1995.
Some police officers are thieves, fact.

And too many of them are lawbreakers. Their wilful attempts to lie an cover over for each other with almost every complaint lodged against them proves this.

To be honest, the copper who I complained about had once interfered in a subject access request. He claimed to be doing it on behalf of the third party involved to expedite the matter. His whole involvement was so shifty that when the information finally came through it had been redacted to nothing more than a blank sheet of paper. Then conversely, when we genuinely needed a subject access request to be expedited, he wouldn't assist.

By telling me his now a civilian employee I assumed they meant he'd left the force altogether. Maybe I'm wrong.

[billybunter]

I just made a telephone call to the constabulary concerned. Sure enough he has 'retired from the police' at the grand old age of 39. Fortunately though he was lucky to find gainful employment again. In the the exact same department of the PSD he has always worked for.

And now I have a Chief Superintendant telling me that although he can investigate my complaint against that officer, he is not in any way obligated to assist them with such an investigation now he is a 'civilian employee.'

The honestly treat complaints like they're playing a game of poker.

[superbird440]

I think a lot of the legal people on here dont see that side of them. I used to tell my solicitor and barrister I was being followed for quite a few months after arrest. It wasnt untill they read disclosed papers a while after, that they both realised they to had been watched. I received a police video tape back in returned boxes after 2 years that showed the search on my offices. When read with disclosed papers, the police video officer had only started filming after 2 officers had broke in and spent some time inside before he was allowed to film. Once he filmed the contents,they sent him home. He wasnt allowed to film the search and removal of everything in the offices. So much was never recorded and went missing and in the trial the evidence officer clearly states that everything was taken including the rubbish in the black bags and the only thing left was a door wedge. Biggest thieves going. Customers told never to pay monies owed even when no restrain order in place. Cars taken and no one seemed to be alble to get them back. Even a Judge seemed powerless during a variation to the restraint order. Of the 144 officers in my case I would say that there were 3 that were so bent, a DS and his 2 DC sidekicks.
The original DI who led the case to begin with dropped it after a couple of months, he went on to become the headof the flying squad and written about his biggest result, some diamonds on the IOD. My junior barrister said he was a go getter and after my initial arrest gave a press conference where I personally made £3 million pound. Funny how my total accounted turnover was only £1.5million. The same team were on a TV programme and quoted a computer memory stick as being worth more than gold. I remember looking at my wife and saying,"they have just started the biggest crime wave to hit the UK" and it did. Total morons. In defence of the police as I belive in law and order, it is a minority that leaves a bad taste for the whole force. I would love to know if they were ever convicted of anything, as they were just to bent, not to be.

[billybunter]

Trust me when I say I sympathise, and believe you. Most people do not realise just how criminally minded some police officers are until they get on the receiving end of it. The problem with too many coppers is that they regard the force as some kind of exclusive country club where they can do what they like as some sort of compensation for saving us from all the evil doers in the world.

How long do you think your average modern cop would last policing the streets of the 1970's?

[Finvarra]

And now I have a Chief Superintendant telling me that although he can investigate my complaint against that officer, he is not in any way obligated to assist them with such an investigation now he is a 'civilian employee.

Maybe he's not, but any other officers who were involved/had knowledge are. Furthermore, as a civilian employee he will no longer have the support of the Police Federation and even if he joins/has joined the civilian union, they will not support him for 3 months or in respect of pre-existing complaints/investigations.

Btw, those of us who have regular personal contact with the Police are under no illusions at all.